In-file returns strange range of seed radii
In-file returns strange range of seed radii
Dear Bernd,
I have written a dri-file with one seed type, seed density model and two classes of radii.
I am wondering why micress returns this strange range of radii in the in-file.
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
2
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.04 50000000000
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class2
0.25 1000000
# Class 1: 5429 seed(s), 1.4500E-01 < radii < ********** [micrometers]
# Class 2: 4 seed(s), 1.0000E-08 < radii < 1.4500E-01 [micrometers]
Do you have any explanation?
Thank you!
Hans
I have written a dri-file with one seed type, seed density model and two classes of radii.
I am wondering why micress returns this strange range of radii in the in-file.
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
2
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.04 50000000000
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class2
0.25 1000000
# Class 1: 5429 seed(s), 1.4500E-01 < radii < ********** [micrometers]
# Class 2: 4 seed(s), 1.0000E-08 < radii < 1.4500E-01 [micrometers]
Do you have any explanation?
Thank you!
Hans
Re: In-file returns strange range of seed radii
Dear Hans,
the reason is that you have to input the radii in decreasing order - I admit that this is not sufficiently explained in the text and that it should also be checked during execution...
Bernd
the reason is that you have to input the radii in decreasing order - I admit that this is not sufficiently explained in the text and that it should also be checked during execution...
Bernd
Re: In-file returns strange range of seed radii
This information helped!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Re: In-file returns strange range of seed radii
Dear Bernd,
wish you a happy new year!
Unfortunately I have problems with the seed radii again. I have started a simulation with three phases and with one seed type for each phase (seed_density model). And I received asterisks in the In-file again:
# Number of types of seeds?
3
#
# Input for seed type 1:
# ----------------------
# Type of 'position' of the seeds?
# Options: bulk region interface triple quadruple [restrictive]
bulk
# Phase of new grains?
1
# Reference phase?
0
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
1
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.025 10000000
# Class 1: 18 seed(s), 3.0429+247 < radii < ********** [micrometers]
# Shield effect:
# Shield time [s] ?
1.00000E-04
# Time between checks for nucleation? [s]
1.00000E-04
# Shall random noise be applied?
# Options: nucleation_noise no_nucleation_noise
no_nucleation_noise
#
# Input for seed type 2:
# ----------------------
# Type of 'position' of the seeds?
# Options: bulk region interface triple quadruple [restrictive]
bulk
# Phase of new grains?
2
# Reference phase?
0
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
1
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.019 1000000000
# Class 1: 400 seed(s), 9.5000E-03 < radii < 2.8500E-02 [micrometers]
# Shield effect:
# Shield time [s] ?
1.00000E-04
# Time between checks for nucleation? [s]
1.00000E-04
# Shall random noise be applied?
# Options: nucleation_noise no_nucleation_noise
no_nucleation_noise
#
# Input for seed type 3:
# ----------------------
# Type of 'position' of the seeds?
# Options: bulk region interface triple quadruple [restrictive]
bulk
# Phase of new grains?
3
# Reference phase?
0
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
1
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.01 500000000000
# Class 1: **** seed(s), 3.0429+247 < radii < ********** [micrometers]
# Shield effect:
# Shield time [s] ?
1.00000E-04
# Time between checks for nucleation? [s]
1.00000E-04
# Shall random noise be applied?
# Options: nucleation_noise no_nucleation_noise
no_nucleation_noise
#
Are there any other rules I have to consider beside the one you already mentioned?
Besides this, is there a possibility to make the range smaller?
Hans
wish you a happy new year!
Unfortunately I have problems with the seed radii again. I have started a simulation with three phases and with one seed type for each phase (seed_density model). And I received asterisks in the In-file again:
# Number of types of seeds?
3
#
# Input for seed type 1:
# ----------------------
# Type of 'position' of the seeds?
# Options: bulk region interface triple quadruple [restrictive]
bulk
# Phase of new grains?
1
# Reference phase?
0
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
1
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.025 10000000
# Class 1: 18 seed(s), 3.0429+247 < radii < ********** [micrometers]
# Shield effect:
# Shield time [s] ?
1.00000E-04
# Time between checks for nucleation? [s]
1.00000E-04
# Shall random noise be applied?
# Options: nucleation_noise no_nucleation_noise
no_nucleation_noise
#
# Input for seed type 2:
# ----------------------
# Type of 'position' of the seeds?
# Options: bulk region interface triple quadruple [restrictive]
bulk
# Phase of new grains?
2
# Reference phase?
0
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
1
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.019 1000000000
# Class 1: 400 seed(s), 9.5000E-03 < radii < 2.8500E-02 [micrometers]
# Shield effect:
# Shield time [s] ?
1.00000E-04
# Time between checks for nucleation? [s]
1.00000E-04
# Shall random noise be applied?
# Options: nucleation_noise no_nucleation_noise
no_nucleation_noise
#
# Input for seed type 3:
# ----------------------
# Type of 'position' of the seeds?
# Options: bulk region interface triple quadruple [restrictive]
bulk
# Phase of new grains?
3
# Reference phase?
0
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
1
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.01 500000000000
# Class 1: **** seed(s), 3.0429+247 < radii < ********** [micrometers]
# Shield effect:
# Shield time [s] ?
1.00000E-04
# Time between checks for nucleation? [s]
1.00000E-04
# Shall random noise be applied?
# Options: nucleation_noise no_nucleation_noise
no_nucleation_noise
#
Are there any other rules I have to consider beside the one you already mentioned?
Besides this, is there a possibility to make the range smaller?
Hans
Re: In-file returns strange range of seed radii
Dear Hans_IKV,
Thank you very much for reporting this bug which is occurring if only one radius class is entered! I fixed the bug right know, so that with the coming release the problem will be solved.
The behaviour should be the following: the radius range for class i is determined as
(r(i+1)+r(i))/2 < radius < (r(i-1)+r(i))/2,
the first class is assumed to be symmetric around r(i),
the last class (smallest radius) goes down to nearly zero
Example:
r(1) = 0.5
r(2) = 0.4
r(3) = 0.2
==> 0.45 < radius1 < 0.55
==> 0.30 < radius1 < 0.45
==> 1E-8 < radius1 < 0.3
If there is only one class, of course
, this scheme is not working. In the new release (with bug-fix), with only one class the width of the class will be zero.
To define a single class with a given width, a second dummy class has to be added which has a low density and thus does not occur. For examlple, to define a class single between 0.45 and 0.55 µm, the input would be as follows:
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
2
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.5 10000000
0.4 0.00001
Note: In the present version, a plain 0 is not allowed for the density. In the fixed version, it will be allowed!
Note also: For random clustering of the seeds like it is observed for example for primary Silicon in aluminium piston alloys, a extra (cluster) radius and (cluster) density value may be given in each line.
Bernd
Thank you very much for reporting this bug which is occurring if only one radius class is entered! I fixed the bug right know, so that with the coming release the problem will be solved.
The behaviour should be the following: the radius range for class i is determined as
(r(i+1)+r(i))/2 < radius < (r(i-1)+r(i))/2,
the first class is assumed to be symmetric around r(i),
the last class (smallest radius) goes down to nearly zero
Example:
r(1) = 0.5
r(2) = 0.4
r(3) = 0.2
==> 0.45 < radius1 < 0.55
==> 0.30 < radius1 < 0.45
==> 1E-8 < radius1 < 0.3
If there is only one class, of course
![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_e_confused.gif)
To define a single class with a given width, a second dummy class has to be added which has a low density and thus does not occur. For examlple, to define a class single between 0.45 and 0.55 µm, the input would be as follows:
# Which nucleation model shall be used?
# Options: seed_undercooling seed_density
seed_density
# Integer for randomization?
13
# How many classes shall be chosen for the critical radius?
2
# Specify radius [micrometers] and seed density [cm**-3] for class1
0.5 10000000
0.4 0.00001
Note: In the present version, a plain 0 is not allowed for the density. In the fixed version, it will be allowed!
Note also: For random clustering of the seeds like it is observed for example for primary Silicon in aluminium piston alloys, a extra (cluster) radius and (cluster) density value may be given in each line.
Bernd
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Re: In-file returns strange range of seed radii
Hello Bernd,
can you give a sample about seed density for the clustering? The first two numbers are clear, the radius and the seed density, but what exactly do I define with the cluster and the cluster density? An example would be helpful.
Many Thanks,
Johann
can you give a sample about seed density for the clustering? The first two numbers are clear, the radius and the seed density, but what exactly do I define with the cluster and the cluster density? An example would be helpful.
Many Thanks,
Johann
Re: In-file returns strange range of seed radii
Dear Johann,
When you define seed classes with different radii in the seed density model, for each class a range is assigned in order to get a smooth distribution function. In the case you show, there seems to be a format problem when outputting the upper range of the first class. I need to look up the place in the code to get an idea what could be the reason for that. Did you use the newest MICRESS version?
Bernd
When you define seed classes with different radii in the seed density model, for each class a range is assigned in order to get a smooth distribution function. In the case you show, there seems to be a format problem when outputting the upper range of the first class. I need to look up the place in the code to get an idea what could be the reason for that. Did you use the newest MICRESS version?
Bernd